2026-07-20 13:18 UTC
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@yosh@toot.yosh.is 2026-07-20 13:25
Of course there are points in the middle about the impunity of corporations, double standards, and the influence of money in legal systems. But that's not the critique I usually see. I want the desire to protect public libraries to be larger than the desire to punish corporations.
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@simon@tutut.delire.party 2026-07-20 13:23
@yosh@toot.yosh.is i don't like DRM and overreaching copyright, but i especially don't like how it's selectively applied
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@timonsku@mastodon.social 2026-07-20 13:29
@yosh@toot.yosh.is I also see it as a difficult position given my general freedom of information stance. Though I think an aspect of it is the closed information derivative, I would have less problems with that singular aspects of LLMs if the resulting model weights would be equally open information. With them being closed it feels like laundering open information into closed information.
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@senesens@tilde.zone 2026-07-20 13:31
@yosh@toot.yosh.as a dedicated pirate, let's steelman this though. It's not that folks using this argument are putting on the mantle of IP lawyers. It's that, legality aside, piracy is separate from reselling. No one defending piracy would be okay with if the pirates were charging you 20$ for the work of others, would they? Folks might not always have the words or references to always accurately express what they mean but it seems like most have a very well calibrated, built-in heuristics for fairness, equity and justice. But yeah, to reply to your main point, we shouldn't let such rhetoric runaway from us into becoming IP lawyers and equating the two.
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@paddyduke@mastodon.social 2026-07-20 14:35
@yosh@toot.yosh.is In my experience it’s a more nuanced reaction to the *intent* behind the “stolen” works. Anna’s Archive, The Internet Archive, and other archivists seek to preserve media intact, and give credit to the original creators. LLM companies use artists’ own work, absent their consent, to train systems explicitly intended to replace them and erase any trace of credit from the replicated work. It’s legally similar, but ethically it’s not even close.
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@adredish@neuromatch.social 2026-07-20 17:40
@yosh@toot.yosh.is shouldn't there be some issues relating to "selling stolen works and passing them off as your own is bad?" Independent of the general "make all things free" vs "ip" extremes?