2023-10-14 12:02 UTC
Replies (31)
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@ari@wetdry.world 2023-10-14 13:01
@mdstevens0612@mas.to i keep saying it, and i'll keep saying it until i die multiplayer games should have at minimum community server support before first-party support ends the graveyard of perfectly good, fun, online games painfully tethered to proprietary, closed-source first-party servers is growing, and that needs to stop real quick
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@iska@catposter.club 2023-10-14 13:17
@mdstevens0612@mas.to it's a managment problem, not a technical one. All these games could've easily allowed you to host and use a custom server but they didn't :cirno_shrug:
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@letsgoat@mas.to 2023-10-14 13:21
@mdstevens0612@mas.to I mean, that's one of the things that kept Minecraft so relevant. They eventually started Realms but there's nothing stopping you and five friends from making a server to make giant dick statues on
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@yetiinabox@todon.nl 2023-10-14 13:25
@mdstevens0612@mas.to Minetest.
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@tezoatlipoca@mas.to 2023-10-14 13:37
@mdstevens0612@mas.to BRING BACK STARSEIGE TRIBES That's it when I get back back home Im looking that up. I used to host a 20 person Tribes server on a P2 or P3 with 64 MB of RAM on a home broadband connection (albeit a really good one). The server app was a different executable that ran in headless console mode with a little graphical admin app. Quite simple and elegant really, even to add in mods.
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@moh_kohn@mastodon.scot 2023-10-14 13:44
@mdstevens0612@mas.to Furthermore it meant servers could have communities. Playstyles, settings, social values. I used to go back to the same few counterstrike servers again and again and you'd get to recognise other players.
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@xorowl@fog.highspirits.games 2023-10-14 13:45
@mdstevens0612@mas.to its not gone. I still host games for friends and small communities. Its not ALL cloud based. Project zomboid, terraria, unturned, 7 days to die, anything made by valve, all have self hosted server options. And the list goes on. About around when diablo 3 came out and shit the bed i realized i needed to learn to host games. Ive since evolved to all kinds of services
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@silo64@mastodon.ie 2023-10-14 13:52
@mdstevens0612@mas.to listen servers, so sad we lost that
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@kkarhan@mstdn.social 2023-10-14 13:57
@mdstevens0612@mas.to you mean like #Matchmaking and #SystemLink and #LAN gaming? Yeah, that still exists and both #GOGgalaxy and #Steam support this including #Crossplay between the two... Also you can thank the #Copyrightmafia that literally made braking #DRM a felony for causing #GamePreservation to be legally impossible!
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@aks@fedi.akselmo.dev 2023-10-14 14:38
@mdstevens0612@mas.to dedicated servers my beloved
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@ladytel@hackers.town 2023-10-14 14:48
@mdstevens0612@mas.to heck you can still play battlefield 1942 because they shipped a server as part of the disks bought.
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@dragonarchitect@rubber.social 2023-10-14 14:48
@mdstevens0612@mas.to @gearlicious@rubber.social Games such as Minecraft, Terraria, Factorio, Astroneer, and Satisfactory, all function in a similar way, where one running instance acts as the server/host and all others join in. It's not a dead system by any stretch of the imagination. :)
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@forst@mastodon.social 2023-10-14 15:19
@mdstevens0612@mas.to @aks@fedi.akselmo.dev Darn NAT is making things complicated. #IPv6 was supposed to solve this, but we're nowhere near enough adoption, especially in the gaming space.
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@Dave3307@mountains.social 2023-10-14 15:19
@mdstevens0612@mas.to There are still quite a few Neverwinter Nights servers running like that. Game is 25 years old and still going.
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@just_chill@piaille.fr 2023-10-14 16:03
@mdstevens0612@mas.to sea of thieves is coming back to it ! And counter strike hasn't stopped it in the update either. It's not looking great but also not completely dead yet.
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@ioletsgo@wetdry.world 2023-10-14 17:00
@mdstevens0612@mas.to yeah but hear me out... Every tick there's a new ledger added to the call of duty 87 server blockchain that describes exactly what's going on it's only gonna take, say, 3 hours to update to the next tick 🙃
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@epicEaston197@cyberfurz.social 2023-10-14 17:57
@mdstevens0612@mas.to from my experience crypto will poison anything it touches and will destroy it I lost my second home because of this
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@millions@universeodon.com 2023-10-14 18:19
@mdstevens0612@mas.to I’m happy Minecraft actually has server hosting and isn’t just realms only Imagine if every Minecraft server was just hosted on mojang’s servers? That probably would’ve been a thing if Minecraft had been made 5 years later though
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@torepang@wetdry.world 2023-10-14 18:42
@mdstevens0612@mas.to this EXACT thing happened with payday 2 and 3. Payday 2 was peer-to-peer and used a host/join system. The lobby host was the server host and no servers needed to be maintained by starbreeze. Payday 3 launched with always online DRM and servers that all players have to join, EVEN IF YOU'RE PLAYING ALONE WITH BOTS, and the first 2 weeks of launch were horrible, with server's going down all the time and nobody actually being able to play the game they bought. It's all about quick money at the launch, and I bet if they used a peer-to-peer system like Payday 2, then they would've made even more money. It's so backwards.
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@matoakit@beach.city 2023-10-14 18:47
@mdstevens0612@mas.to The old games keep going, but nobody makes money on them anymore. They'd rather things not exist than exist and not make money on them. It's designed to break or be broken whenever their profits drop.
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@bandreghetti@mastodon.com.br 2023-10-14 20:44
100% agree. At least nowadays we can stream our screen and play the local co-op mode online in many games, but of course that doesn't apply to all games "/
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@richlv@mastodon.social 2023-10-14 22:46
@mdstevens0612@mas.to This suddenly brought back memories how Carmageddon or Carmageddon 2 only supported IPX, and there was some proxy for TCP which we rigged up. It wasn't as enjoyable back then, as internet speeds were too slow and LAN parties still ruled :)
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@apophis@mycrowd.ca 2023-10-15 05:51
@mdstevens0612@mas.to there's still a pretty active Hideous Destructor co-op scene using GZDoom's peer-to-peer system
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@saethlin@hachyderm.io 2023-10-15 06:45
@mdstevens0612@mas.to Not even that long ago! TF2 was big recently, right? All the wacky community servers were such a joy.
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@Zarkonnen@mastodon.social 2023-10-15 08:04
@mdstevens0612@mas.to Oh yes, that's why in my game you can just host/join via IP, as well as there being official MP servers.
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@garrwolfdog@yiff.life 2023-10-15 08:57
@mdstevens0612@mas.to I think a big part of it is that, back in the 90's and esrly 2000s, the people the games were aimed at had a lot more technical knowledge & ability compared to the target audience now.
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@ghard@mastodon.social 2023-10-15 10:33
@mdstevens0612@mas.to but.. but… then you can’t nickle-and-dime your players with micro transactions! And let rich kids get ahead others with loot boxes.
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@awooo@pawb.fun 2023-10-15 11:01
@mdstevens0612@mas.to Been hosting a Xonotic server for a couple of friends, but it's listed publicly and people do join sometimes, it's honestly pretty nice to be able to contribute to infrastructure like that :3
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@CherryPixelBun@yiff.life 2023-10-15 11:56
@mdstevens0612@mas.to Setting up XLink Kai was one of the coolest things I had done in the last couple years. A friend and I used it to play Timesplitters and Doom 3 on the original Xbox LONG after Xbox Live 1.0 closed. It only supports games that have LAN support but that makes up a lot of the multiplayer games on that console
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@midnavixi@plush.city 2023-10-15 14:23
@mdstevens0612@mas.to this is always a huge consideration for me when it comes to the games I like to play unfortunately what comes with that is I never have anyone to play with lmao 'hey wanna play mhfu? you'll have to get this emulator and connect to this server and then... oh ok I'll start downloading mhworld again i guess'
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@KidOrnery@mstdn.party 2023-10-15 15:09
@mdstevens0612@mas.to Quakeworld with GameSpy got so many things right