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@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com

2026-09-17 18:05 UTC

How will we circumvent the coming ID requirements for operating systems? I am extremely concerned about the new laws that are going to require ID to use any operating system. I know there is an exception for FOSS at the moment, but the phase 2 plans to deny access to web services for unverified devices would essentially make that exception useless. I’ve been thinking hard about everything my home server connects to, and it isn’t looking good. How will I pull containers from GitHub or DockerHub when those sites will undoubtedly be subject to the same verification rules? How is SearXNG going to work when my users searches are tied to my identity? Put simply, how are we going to get around this as a community? Ideas I’ve had: Hire an anonymous person and use their identity. Problem: if they commit a crime, the authorities could think it was me, and if I’m suspected of a crime, they could be in trouble. Figure out a way to route services through a virtual Windows 95 machine since many ATM’s run on that and maybe there would be an exception for them. Problem: my gut tells me that they would also be blocked and that ATM’s make direct connections separate from traditional web services. VPN to the safest country possible during setup and pretend to be in a region that doesn’t require identification. Problem: even if the country doesn’t require it, it doesn’t mean that the OS company won’t require it. Move to a more reasonable country and go full FOSS for the rest of my life. Problem: leaving everything I know behind and still potentially have blocked access to some sites that deliver FOSS software. That’s pretty much it. Moving seems like the option with the greatest possibility of success, but it comes at a huge cost. I’d need to change jobs and start my life all over, but on the other hand, my home server is the only thing that makes my poverty tolerable here. If I lose that, then I have literally nothing to do but read books and wait to die. So, with humility and anxiety, I come to you, my friends with bigger brains than me. What are we going to do? How are we going to remain private and free? What is your personal plan because I’m drawing blanks and starting to feel like everything I’ve ever believed in is crumbling around me. Thank you for any advice or theories on how to navigate this paradigm shift. I never would have thought, when I first fired up Netscape and got connected to the whole world, that it would come to this before the end of my lifetime.

Replies (10)

  • @csolisr@hub.azkware.net 2026-09-17 18:14

    I was thinking about using Tor to tunnel things through, but at a certain point in the relay it will require somebody to put a server with an authorized, identifiable system as an exit point, and the legal implications of this would make the relay owner criminally liable. The option B is to use Tor, I2P, et cetera as hidden networks, and mirror packages manually between authorized and unauthorized devices (for as long as mandatory DRM for external storage devices doesn't kick in).

    Open ##4739635

  • @MrWrinkles@leminal.space 2026-09-17 18:20

    Fully distributed networking over IPv6? No more domain names? That’s a lot of technical ground to cover tho. We would have to deal with discovering mutually common open ports on random addresses and keeping local lists… Isn’t this just basically dark web?

    Open ##4739681

  • @anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 2026-09-17 18:31

    For floss operating systems someone will inevitably maintain a (potentially illegal) fork/patch that bypasses the age check. The same will be true for repos and flathub, there will be a mirror without verification for most stuff. Just like youtube hasn’t been able to smash yt-dlp yet I imagine that there will be bypasses that fake an “adult token” to send to websites. What we can do is: a) Join organizations, eff.org exists and maybe your country has a local organization too? b) Discuss privacy with friends, we all have things we’d rather keep hidden - a medical journal, a hobby most find childish or a kinky sex toy. That doesn’t make us criminal. Encourage them to accept newsletters from eff and similar groups. c) Question your politicians about their view on privacy, we must make noise for them to care. d) Submit letters to your local newspaper in regards to privacy. If they publish it that’s a win and if they don’t then maybe you got a journalist interested enough to write a full article. Someday. e) Join politics and work inside the system to protect privacy for everyone. f) Go offline. Host get-togethers in real life, create regular groups that meet outside the internet, read books, play tabletop games. g) Become a hermit, plant potatoes, feed the birds. Live far away from town.

    Open ##4739743

  • @frongt@lemmy.zip 2026-09-17 19:18

    There is no way that verification is going to be enforceable. I’m not too worried about it.

    Open ##4740185

  • I get the concern, especially since people who aren’t tech savvy are pretty clueless when it comes to digital privacy, but I don’t know if we’re at the point where the ship has sailed on OS level age verification. At least in the US it seems like this is a fight that’s still worth fighting especially since the majority of the political energy right now is directed towards the concurrent AI and affordability crises (and, on the right wing, toward stoking anti-immigrant and to a much lesser extent anti-trans sentiment). To be fair, I’m pessimistic too and realistically, yes, any sincere effort to upend the power structure will eventually need to take place offline.

    Open ##4740803

  • @Sergio@piefed.social 2026-09-17 22:29

    literally nothing to do but read books I remember those days. They weren’t that bad.

    Open ##4741667

  • Distributed mesh network. Bypass internet by making own.

    Open ##4746960

  • @lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.org 2026-09-18 13:25

    0.- install a old-enough OS into a old-enough machine (basically any Linux from up to ~2025 into a machine of up to ~2021 works) as they support docker and virtualization and you can spin more modern individual programs from there.

    Open ##4748687

  • @lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2026-09-18 14:06

    Give the politicians who’re pushing this shit a more pressing problem to worry about.

    Open ##4749229

  • @lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-09-18 17:43

    Linux is never going to have an age verification system. Any distro that implements it will be forked or abandoned. Or both.

    Open ##4751527