@sean It was in this Sky News interview: https://youtu.be/RhD2ZuKrXPg?t=282 He talks about a NATO without nuclear weapons and trying to form an alternative to NATO based on ‘peace and diplomacy’ Unless he specifically states that this alternative to NATO must be based on mass production of long range weapons and drone tech, this is code for being against arms manufacturing, and therefore disarming Europe. He’s just not saying it expilicitly as he knows it will lose votes