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2026-04-29 06:12 UTC

> This is, in fact, exactly what we’re talking about here. No, we're not. We're talking about publishing content online. That's the exact opposite of keeping things private. EU laws are clear here. Your data is protected and age verification does not overwrite those rights. We're not talking about removing e2e encryption, https, VPNs and making selfhosting illegal. We're talking about proving that things that are published (i.e. made public) on the internet are actually published by a citizen. It's baffling that people confuse anonymity with privacy. My Signal account is tied to my phone number yet my conversation are private. You somehow think that protecting this privacy means we have to protect russian bots creating Twitter accounts and spamming the platform with anti-EU propaganda pretending to be 25 year old single mother from Warsaw. > The assumption that it will simply end there also contradicts the evidence. And we have the slippery slope argument. Because that's the only argument people have here. "We need anonymity on social media because they will install cameras in our bedrooms next". I'm not buying that. So far EU has a very good track record when it comes to protecting its citizens from corporations. The fastest way to lose this protection is to let russia backed fascists from AfD, Vox, Kofederacja and Fidesz destabilize and take over EU. Online anonymity is not protecting us from them, it's the main tool they are using. And this is not some fantasy, we've already seen this in UK. Russia backed politicians did brexit and now UK is the most anty-privacy country in Europe. Seeing how toxic the topic of anonymity is I wonder how my russian assets are taking part in this discussion...

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  • @Disillusionist@piefed.world 2026-04-30 00:54

    >We're not talking about removing e2e encryption, https, VPNs and making selfhosting illegal. While it might not be happening in your neck of the woods, there are efforts to crack down on encryption as well, [in France](https://www.techdirt.com/2026/04/23/france-keeps-breaking-the-internet-to-stop-piracy-even-though-its-not-working/) for instance. The EU is not immune to encroachment and abuse of the individual's rights, no place is. >It's baffling that people confuse anonymity with privacy. My Signal account is tied to my phone number yet my conversation are private. While you're correct that anonymity is not the same as privacy, encryption alone is not a viable answer. As "Signalgate" in the US demonstrated, encryption is merely an attempt to secure a channel of communication. It isn't sufficient on its own to protect anything, it isn't even guaranteed to be secure a surprising amount of the time. Overall, you seem to have a strong sense of faith that your country and the EU as a whole will be this unshakable pillar in the face of all of everything happening all around. Even if you trust **your** government or the EU, you would also have to trust the numerous platforms, service providers, data brokers, and digital security apparatus to all work honestly and in conjunction toward your (and everyone else's) best interests. That's quite a lot of trust and faith to spread around. As far as all the various fascists and other bad actors you're (rightly) concerned about, that is a good point to talk about. One thing to emphasize is that the major platforms hosting them have historically had a legal obligation to **moderate their content**, which they have been grossly negligent at. There is a whole discussion there, but the point is that there is a reasonable expectation that platforms do their utmost to handle these situations responsibly. Due to things like engagement metrics, this obligation often contradicts with the bottom line of the business (as brought out in the "Facebook Papers" leak) since controversial content typically elicits high engagement. I (and others) don't believe the answer lies in individuals forfeiting rights simply because the platforms won't do what they are rightly obligated to do. Shifting the responsibility away from the platforms themselves not only makes it less likely they will improve their practices, but it makes any measures any individual or government may take to sanitize that caustic digital environment that much harder and less effective.

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