Post #4845558 · Elektrine

2026-09-18 02:55 UTC

But, I think we need a banner to gather under, don’t we? Your typical American family hasn’t a clue… They know “socialist bad”… This is why the specific banner probably doesn’t matter very much. The association “socialist → bad” just comes from a long-running campaign by Western Capitalists to make sure that the peasants make that association. It basically goes, The USSR is bad, and they are socialists, and therefore socialism is bad. And that’s enough for most people. It’s easy to highlight a country’s flaws and convince someone that the country is bad, so 1 took hold, for reasons both reasonable and unreasonable. And 2 is free because they have socialism in the name. And 3 is a common logical fallacy, but it works, because it turns out people aren’t very rational. If we picked up the “Proletariat” banner instead, the same thing would happen. The USSR is bad, and they implemented some of Karl Marx’s ideas, and so Karl Marx is bad, and so the proletariat are bad. It’s not a marketing problem. It’s a problem with who gets to control all of the marketing narratives.

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@CardboardDecoy@lemmy.world 2026-09-18 05:51

‘Not a marketing problem, it’s a problem with markeing’… Look I don’t want to drag you too hard here but you do have .ml in your handle so I’m gonna just do this as briefly as possible: You are referencing a 70 year old political movement as if we haven’t had 70 years of history happen since then. We are so far past red scare tactics that everyone who found out how fucked it was died and now they’re trying it again but stupider. We have a crazy unbelieveable opportunity happening right now, actively, in New York, where someone openly referring to themselves as socialist is making massive moves where they are proving that Government can actually be leveraged to make improvemnts for the working class and can also remove incentives for weath hoarding. People are actually paying attention to the DSA and D’s are actively campaigning against ‘themselves’ with more effert than we’ve seen them use in 10 years against Trump. So no, not a marketing problem, it’s an availability to actually express power and follow through on actual governance problem. I know you haven’t said anything about electoralism so I will take ownership for bringing it up, but it’s effective electoralism that is going to keep this door open. It’s happening.

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