@themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com
2026-09-01 05:26 UTC
Replies (29)
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@mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 2026-09-01 05:36
This will also be quite the test for the Lemmy slopwarriors
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@flamingos@feddit.uk 2026-09-01 05:43
AI code bans may be impossible to enforce in the first place I hate this attitude that if a rule or standard can’t be enforced perfectly, we shouldn’t strive for it. We can’t (reasonably) run an OS free of proprietary software, does that mean the free software movement should just give up?
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@AntOnARant@programming.dev 2026-09-01 06:29
I’m glad Linus is pragmatic about this, ethical questions aside LLM’s are a highly valuable tool in software development and they are likely to continue to improve. Any engineer fighting the use of LLM’s will ultimately find that their peers are achieving more in a shorter time then they are. Open weight LLM’s have also come a long way and are already good enough for daily use.
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@aarch0x40@piefed.social 2026-09-01 05:37
Guess it’s finally time to go all in on FreeBSD
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@bl4ckp1xx13@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-09-01 06:43
If the model is adequately FOSS, i.e. open weights, and can run on a single consumer GPU (or NPU), and the “author” (quotations because I’m personally undecided if one can claim code generated by an aforementioned model is theirs) understands it, then I really don’t see what the problem is… Personally I have nothing against SLMs/LLMs as a technologically, to me my grievances against ChatGPT or Claude are mostly about their environmental impacts and selling us back our own art, also keeping knowledge behind a for-profit black-box - if those aren’t appropriate for a specific model, then I say using that model is fair, and good for productivity.
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@it_depends_man@lemmy.world 2026-09-01 06:52
Open Source and git mean this is basically a non issue. It’s just effort to manage it again. People can fork a pre… 2020? version if they insist and if it’s enough people who want that, they can group up again and form a new community. The problem AI slop coding is mostly the untested bullshit that causes problems. That’s not going to happen because I believe that a good bunch of stuff is thoroughly tested now, and also, this is maintainers doing it. If it doesn’t work, it’s their project, their career and their success on the line. And again, the worst possible outcome is that people have to roll back to an older version. The code we use is not art the same way that gen-ai replaces “real artists”. I agree with opposing that tech in that area, and I agree with rejecting unchecked, untested, hallucinated nonsense in coding too, especially when it promises new features in corpo software that you are forced to use, and then have that fail on you. But there will be a very normal selection process happening. If the process doesn’t work, the software will fail and lose users. I fully support the people who absolutely reject it though, that means diversity of approaches and that’s good.
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@oce@jlai.lu 2026-09-01 06:54
In his commit message: [And this was a debug session from hell, enormously helped by an AI doing much of the grunt-work. I’d like to call it my tireless helper, but the AI several times stated flat out that this was impossible and unsolvable and that we should just write a report about it. I suspect those things have been trained by people who may not be quite as stubborn as I am. But while the AI was ready to give up several times, it did keep adding debug code and analyzing it faithfully when I pushed. So credit where credit is due and I let the AI write the commit message above. This is basically a one-liner fixing a bogus “round_up()” to a “round_down()”, but there were 24 patches adding more and more debug information to this, and 18 kernel boot to finally narrow it down to this. - Linus ] Didn’t he state quite early on that LLMs were a good tool to spot bugs? Found this from 3 years ago: blog.mathieuacher.com/LinusTorvaldsLLM/
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@Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2026-09-01 07:45
What was that random desktop image in the middle of the article for? It’s that the author’s? What kind of impression did he expect his elf babe wallpaper to convey?
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@Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 2026-09-01 07:50
The year of Linux and they do this… It’s been working oit great for Windows, hasn’t it?
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@ell1e@leminal.space 2026-09-01 08:04
Seems like an AI apologists article. “Bans are hard so why even bother.” No, the alternatives exist and people can choose them where able: codeberg.org/brib/slopfree-software-index Sure, not all things are available AI free, e.g. there’s no Linux kernel (NetBSD doesn’t run on as much hardware), but that doesn’t mean there’s no point to choosing no AI software where possible, if you care about it. The enforceability part seems the most apologist to me. You never could really know if some contributor wasn’t copying leaked Windows XP code into your FOSS project. If you trust contributors that little, don’t let them contribute.
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@I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2026-09-01 16:58
People who are vehemently against any form of AI will be left behind. That may be difficult to hear, and even more difficult to accept, but that is the cold, hard, truth. Its a tool, and just like any tool it has uses. It can be used inappropriately, and it’s valid to criticize those instances. But if you are plugging your ears and going “Lalala!” when people talk about actual valid use cases, or stubbornly pretending that it has none, you will be left behind. You will be like office employees from the 80’s and 90’s who refused to use a computer and then suddenly found themselves without a job. It’s your choice if you use it or not. It’s also every company’s choice to not hire you because of your unwillingness to adapt. If you haven’t learned it yet, this is your warning and your wake-up call: Learn how to use AI now, or find a different career. It’s not going away, no matter how much you may bitch and moan. There will soon be two classes of people, those who learned how to use this emerging technology, and those who refused. Things will be much harder for that second group. I don’t say this to be snarky or smug. I hate AI myself, but I also recognize how fucking stupid I’d have to be to refuse to use it. It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but it’s also the truth.
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@Acid_Burn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2026-09-02 03:18
AI is like a power tool. If you give a contractor a nail gun instead of a hammer he can build a house faster. If you give someone who has no idea how to build a house a nail gun they’ll just fail at building a house faster than if you only gave them a hammer and they’ll probably hurt themselves.
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@drmoose@lemmy.world 2026-09-02 03:27
The problem with majority of “LLM critics” is that they are brain dead luddites that argue with ragebait emotion rather than rationality. Unsurprisingly LLMs are just computers that can be useful, can be wasteful, can be life saving and can be sociefy destroyed - it’s a tool.
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@danielfm123@lemmy.zip 2026-09-01 20:16
Using AI is not the same as vibe coding. Asking AI to write a piece of code and then read it, understand and use, is a very reasonable use case.
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@_stranger_@lemmy.world 2026-09-02 03:36
I would trust Linus Torvalds to use AI to do this because the AI is literally trying to copy him when it writes that code. In that context, he is the training data.
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@bold_atlas@lemmy.world 2026-09-02 00:10
Fuck off with these fake AI bubble pumping stories. fake ass grifters reading the same script wherever you go (“Im a mathamatician and IM SCARED” lol) It’s all horse shit. Sorry guys but your AI powered sex doll is going in the chipper along with her unpublished Unified Field theory.
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@mechoman444@lemmy.world 2026-09-01 23:53
Some of a bitch! Just a few days ago, I argued with a douche nozzle who told me, with the confidence of a master debater, that AI has no useful purpose. But apparently, not all of you feel that way. Linus uses AI and suddenly y’all change your tune! What a load of crap! I’ve been sitting here saying for years that AI is a tool and should be used as such, while getting called a tech-bro simp for saying it. Man, this has once again revealed the massive, two-faced, bandwagon nature of Lemmy. Y’all should have stayed on Reddit!
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@raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 2026-09-01 20:49
So this is how I hear about the outcome of the Debian vote. :( Is there a widespread distro that has a clear anti-Slop stance?
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@mlg@lemmy.world 2026-09-01 20:11
People are forgetting the AI hype train is reliant on the fact that businesses and individuals can’t host the AI themselves, which is rapidly changing. All that insane power that OpenAI and Anthropic have harnessed is suddenly completely useless when you can just spin up a competing model at home, with HF hosting a crap ton of finetuned models like uncensored/abliterated to do whatever you want with it. Even Deepseek released their full size models if you happen to have 400Gb (or 1.5Tb) of VRAM lying around. When the bubble (hopefully) pops, AI will just continue to be a tool that devs use where applicable, and likely not on a massive data center cloud as it migrates into consumer electronics.
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@shirasho@feddit.online 2026-09-01 13:56
LLMs suck at writing code, but they are absolutely amazing at reading code and finding bugs. I am firmly against the usage of LLMs to write anything, but they have a place as a diagnostics tool when verified by a human.
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@Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2026-09-02 05:17
It’s a tool like any other. If used correctly it can provide a great value to the world. If used incorrectly then in this case it can also do the opposite. AI isn’t good or bad intrinsically. It boils down to our relationship to it. The same can be said for all the other tools, radio, television, internet and so on.
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@Moztako@lemmus.org 2026-09-01 21:55
It’s interesting to see AI being used for something as practical as debugging a Linux issue. I think the bigger question is how much developers can rely on AI without losing their understanding of the underlying code. AI can clearly speed things up, but human review still seems essential.
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@Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 2026-09-01 08:46
Oh, please… is it still a text generator, or is it already a religion?
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@Shanmugha@lemmy.world 2026-09-02 06:49
Finally got where I stand: why uncomfortable? It’s just being hard to impose a sensible approach to it: yes, llms can be used as a tool efficiently no, killing the planet along the way is not an option, this has to stop be stopped
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@1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 2026-09-03 03:14
ahahahaha this is rich
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@Tattorack@lemmy.world 2026-09-02 18:03
I keep seeing headlines like this, and of course conveniently leaving out how Torvalds chewed people out for vibe coding. Torvalds didn’t vibe code away the Linux bug. He actually knows what he’s doing.
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@aurelar@lemmy.ml 2026-09-02 22:06
There’s a difference between using a tool as a knowledgeable professional, and using a tool as a novice or a member of the general public: the professional can likely tell when the answer an AI gives is wrong. AI is a tool that can be useful sometimes.
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@ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe 2026-09-02 07:19
unpopular opinion, especially on the fediverse, but: AI is not inherently bad. it is a tool, that can do everything to a pretty low standard but rather fast. so it is up to the learnt human to use the thing at the right time. i use the company ai at regularly at work, but treat it as an apprentice: every line of code has to be checked, because it will fail hilariously. but it does type faster than me, so simple and boring jobs can be done by it. i don’t see the appeal of avoiding generated code at all cost. it is not different from human code in that it can fail horribly. the important thing is oversight. is there someone with the knowledge and keen eye to ensure no BS is merged. Linus, in my opinion, spent a lifetime building that reputation.
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@roundabout@feddit.org 2026-09-03 05:45
Torvalds is not vibe coding, and he doesn’t control the OS (GNU/Linux) anyways.