@nzdjb@cloudisland.nz ....and I still haven't learnt the life lesson of being careful what you say. I have spent 20 minutes this morning battling with the oven in an attempt to change the time. Miele engineers are clearly high on their own supply and wouldn't know a user-orientated UI if they fell over one. My ancient Sony beside alarm clock on the other hand takes only 2 seconds to change the time. There's a another life lesson in there somewhere!