@morganth@social.tchncs.de @Tamasg@mindly.social Granted, but the volunteer work was your idea. It wasn't someone specific asking you to help him specifically. To put it differently, it wasn't John Smith asking for help from you, it was the association for doing stuff asking for volunteer hours which you could give. There is, I would respectfully suggest, a difference. My statement/experience is with people who are asked for help by other people, not who go and volunteer to do specific things at their convenience. I also do think these are all generalizations, my statement certainly was. I have met people who actually do enjoy helping when asked, they actually like it, they are not doing it out of obligation. What I'm saying is that they're not the majority, or even a significant minority. This is my experience. I may be wrong, I actually hope I am, but I don't think I am, even in generalizing it. Put it that I wish and hope you and your presenter are right.