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2026-02-10 16:15 UTC

@benlockwood@ecoevo.social I agree with your sentiment but not necessarily with the facts. For example, we don’t have the technology to make cement without using fossil fuels. Same for metals needed for electrification. All our large machinery runs on diesel fuels and there is no technology to electrify them. We do have the technology to do better than we currently are but it is not clear if that will be good enough.

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  • @benlockwood@ecoevo.social 2026-02-10 16:19

    @btschumy@mas.to you’re ignoring the knowledge half of the equation, where already know what levels of development are sustainable. So yes we have what we need already

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  • @btschumy@mas.to @benlockwood@ecoevo.social We absolutely do have the technology for those things already, it would just be "more expensive" in the sense that the long-term costs of fossil fuels are all externalized. There are certainly a few things we don't have the technology for yet, but mostly in synthetic chemistry, and the amount of fossil fuels used for that is a tiny fraction of global consumption. The hardest problem would be weaning off of industrial agriculture.

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  • @gwentlarry@mastodon.social 2026-02-10 17:14

    @btschumy@mas.to @benlockwood@ecoevo.social The technology for metal processing exists. Sweden has demonstrated fossil fuel free steel production, from processing the ore to iron and then on to steel. A commercial plant is under construction. https://www.hybritdevelopment.se/en/hybrit-six-years-of-research-paves-the-way-for-fossil-free-iron-and-steel-production-on-an-industrial-scale/ Most other metals can similarly be produced with effectively zero CO2 emissions. I would agree that cement is a bigger problem but the science is progressing. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352710224004297

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  • @johnzajac@dice.camp 2026-02-11 05:15

    @btschumy@mas.to @benlockwood@ecoevo.social Ah, but we *do* have the technology to recycle cement. So there you have it. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240522130434.htm

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  • @xWood4000@spacey.space 2026-02-21 20:03

    @btschumy@mas.to @benlockwood@ecoevo.social I don't know exactly how large machinery you're talking about but there are electric excavators. And really large machinery anyway uses electric motors with diesel generators, which can be replaced with batteries.

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