@kims@mas.to You do not know how much you show being American with that last sentence, and it has nothing to do with toilets I'm afraid :-) Some parts of Europe has bidets, some parts of Europe has plumbing that was well thought out already 30 years ago. And some of the people putting down the plumbing in the street, at the same time put down a fiber network that we have been running fast fiber internet connections to private homes since 30 years. :-) And we do have 3-ply papers here in Sweden.